Wednesday, October 26, 2022

Caricatures Abound

Somehow I missed John MacArthur's series, "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist" when it came out. I found a reference to it on the testing 5-2-1 blog, and thought it would be a worthwhile listen. Was it ever! It was a remarkably good sermon series. I've listened to it twice now.

But...

In the first message, he talks about J. N. Darby (the transcript is available here), and it wasn't the most flattering. He didn't hit too hard on Darby, but his tone toward dispensationalists was more than a little dismissive.

Now, it's fair to point out that dispensationalism became (or maybe "has become") a nesting place for some of the unclean birds he mentions: newspaper exegesis, and Revelation 9 helicopters are two examples he gives. And I'll agree with him that those are wrong. It seems obvious to me that a lot of credibility was lost by some of that.

At the same time, to accuse dispensationalists of teaching "two ways of salvation" is a caricature at best, slander at the worst. And to be clear: MacArthur's not the only one I've heard make that accusation in the last year. 

I don't own a Scofield Bible, so I'm not going to attempt to defend it. I don't go in for Scofield-ism myself, I think it's a little brittle. But I've read a whole lot of Darby's writing, and he absolutely did not teach two ways of salvation. In fact, I'm pretty sure he didn't teach seven dispensations either.

I've mentioned before that the first big effect reading Darby had on me was to push me away from Scofield's dispensationalism.

For whatever reason (and I can think of a few), people love to beat on Darby. Oddly enough, it's hard to find someone with strong opinions on Darby who has read more than a snippet in a pull quote. I suppose he's in good company: people like to expound scripture without apparently reading it too.

So no, much as I think MacArthur makes some excellent points, his caricature of Darby seems to have nothing but the name in common with the man himself.

It's self-evident from his writings (especially his letters) that Darby didn't always think too hard before he acted. "Brethren" love to talk about how he never married, thinking he would be more effective as a single man. Twenty-five years after I first started reading him seriously, I've come to the conclusion that marriage would have been an improvement: it might have taught him to think first.

But even while I lament he acted terribly at times, I have to say he is one of my heroes. Why? Because I have never read, or heard from, or spoken to another person who bowed to Scripture and treated it like God's actual words like J. N. Darby did. 

Maybe Martin Luther. Maybe.

What I learn from J. N. Darby's writings is that Scripture is not only infallible, but it's also sufficient. The latter is what I see so lacking amongst all Christians. We all agree that Scripture is infallible, but very few seem to think it's sufficient. We all long to go back to Rome and have co-authorities with God's words. But Darby held tenaciously to Romans 3:4, "let God be true and every man false."  Darby recognized what others simply cannot accept: that the Word of God doesn't need help.

I've mentioned Kelly before, he was one of the campus chaplains when I was a student. Kelly once told me a story he'd heard from someone else: 

Imagine you're lying in bed at night and someone kicks in your door. You grab your pistol from the nightstand and point it at the housebreaker, who tells you he doesn't believe that gun can stop him. Guns don't actually work, he says, they're just a myth. What do you do? Do you try to explain ballistics to him? or do you just squeeze the trigger?

That's a pretty telling scenario. I'm afraid Christians as a whole have been trying to explain ballistics my whole life, when they should just have been squeezing the trigger.

Darby understood that in a way perhaps even someone like William Kelly didn't.

If people really heeded the word of God, and took simply from Scripture what Scripture states, such things would never be said.

Nor do I talk about private judgment on such things; between man and man that is all very well, reasonable enough, but do you think if God has spoken to me, I am to talk of private judgment on what He has said?

Why, it is blasphemy.

I can understand an unbeliever not knowing what is God's mind, and reasoning about what is written; but man by reasoning never got faith at all; and man's reason is perfectly incompetent to judge about God and His words.

If my mind could judge about God, then God is the subject matter, and my mind is the master of the subject matter.

It is a mistake altogether. You want a word from God to reach conscience, that is the first thing. I grant you man's mind is the measure of all the truth he can have, but the first thing I want is a hammer upon conscience.

Suppose I knock you down, does it not make an impression upon you? You are acted upon. This is what conscience needs. But people think it must be the activity of their own minds.

I do not take a candle out to see if the sun is shining!

("Detached Memoranda from a Reading Meeting")

 

So while I hope I act with more prudence than Johnny D., I aspire to his view of Scripture, his knowledge of it, and his earnest zeal in searching it.



14 comments:

Susan said...

“…the Reformed" folk can’t tolerate John Nelson Darby, since he has exposed their covenant theological error better than anyone else. There has been none since the Apostle Paul who could touch Darby when it comes to getting right at the core of error and laying it bare.” Miles Stanford.

Susan said...

http://www.presenttruthpublishers.com/pdf/CHART-THE-THREE-ADMINISTRATIONS-KEY-OT.pdf

Dispensational Truths as held by Darby


J. N. Darby Did Not
“Systematize” Dispensational Truth - R. A. Huebner

Anonymous said...

I would side with darby over macarthur in just about anything but he had his shortcomings too. Macarthur is just treating his old teachers like ex girlfriends and no one likes to kiss their ex. It turns out that Darby ended up moving away later in life from his original teaching on sanctification by idenfication with Christ. He created a doctrine about growth through proper assembly gathering and he taught that salvation is by knowing your position in Christ. Meaning romans 7 isn't about a believer struggling with his old nature but a convert looking for peace and sealing. That would mean no one was saved til the brethren came along. But I do admire how it doesn't take long for him to start in about reckoning. No one else can touch him on that.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100613093204fw_/http://withchrist.org/MJS/pbs.htm

Anonymous said...

dear anonymous,

Could you give us a reference for Darby on that later view of Romans 7?

thank-you.

Susan said...

I recall there was a huge difference on this between F. W. Grant and Darby in their latter days. I do agree with Grant on the subject.

Robert said...

I will make a few comments. I cannot get over involved with the post at the moment as I am studying to speak on the virgin birth. Any help on the subject will be gratefully received Mark!

I regard John McArthur as the bravest man in Christendom for his stance against Covid lockdowns. On national television he said, “an assembly that doesn’t assemble is a contradiction in terms” - a Baptist pastor teaching assembly truth!

However my admiration does not extend to everything that he teaches. And some years ago I wrote to him because he called JND a country lawyer. As I pointed out to him, it was expected that Darby would rise to the rank of Solicitor General and the fact that Admiral Nelson was his godfather would not have hindered him reaching those heights! So clearly, as Anonymous says, McArthur has an axe to grind and perhaps wants to bury his influences. Luis Palau, the Argentinian evangelist, who moved to Portland said in his autobiography that he owed so much to te teaching of JND. When he was asked why he moved away from his influence, he honestly replied, ‘so that I could preach to crowds of people’. Perhaps that’s why McArthur distances himself.

I have found that there are many teachers who skirt around the edges of subjects, and can tell us what others believe and what is wrong about their teaching but do not get to the heart of the matter. I have been reading JND since I was 19 and what kept me at it was his ability to reach the core, the heart, of a chapter, particularly in the Synopsis.

Darby is not responsible for the present day conditions of ‘brethren’ assemblies anymore than John Wesley is responsible for the disastrous state of the Methodists.

Anonymous said...

https://stempublishing.com/authors/darby/DOCTRINE/31019E.html

Joshua said...

Anonymous your statement,
"It turns out that Darby ended up moving away later in life from his original teaching on sanctification by idenfication with Christ. He created a doctrine about growth through proper assembly gathering and he taught that salvation is by knowing your position in Christ. Meaning romans 7 isn't about a believer struggling with his old nature but a convert looking for peace and sealing. That would mean no one was saved til the brethren came along."

is YET ANOTHER UNTRUE CARICATURE of Darby's teaching.

Darby correctly taught ( from very beginning of his ministry and not in the later years as you claim) Romans 7 isn't about christian struggling with his old nature but a quickened soul looking for peace and deliverance.

In *1873* ( Review of R. Pearsall Smith on "Holiness through Faith.") he wrote, "You know that I reject the thought ( *I have done so for five and forty years* ) of the experience of Romans 7 being a Christian state. It is the state of a regenerate soul under law, under the “first husband” of the chapter; not the delivered soul under the second husband, that is Christ risen".

https://www.stempublishing.com/authors/darby/DOCTRINE/23010E.html

He never taught other things you wrote neither are those things a logical inference from his teaching on Sealing with the Spirit.

Darby rightly distinguished between New Birth, Justification , Sanctification, Deliverance ,Sealing, Salvation and taught what the scriptures taught rather than formulating a systematic doctrine .

Joshua

Anonymous said...

dear anonymous

Thanks for the link. I thought you might have been thinking of "On Sealing with the Holy Ghost." But how do you get from there to your statement that "no one was saved til the brethren came along"? That's not something I find in that article. And in fact I think it runs counter to everything that Darby teaches about the church as the body of Christ.

CG

Anonymous said...

When we first believe the gospel we are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit. The brethren around 1875 began to teach that when we believe the gospel we are quickened then later on some come to know their position in Christ and then are sealed. And then that's salvation. Not only believing the gospel but believing a full gospel of knowing your position on top of Christ dying for your sins. So no one wouldve been saved before the brethren because they were the first to teach the doctrine of position. Salvation through knowledge is gnosticism. The christians I know don't understand their position in Christ but are still saved. You can read romans 7 and 8 in the synopsis, Darby clearly changed his mind before he died. Grant held to the old way and got kicked out so american dispensational teaching has Grant to thank for sticking to the synopsis.

Joshua said...

Mr Anonymous,
You are again misrepresenting by implying Darby's teaching about Rom.7 in "Synopsis" and "On the sealing with the Holy Ghost" contradict each other.

But both are in agreement. About Romans 7, in Synopsis he writes
"It is the personal experience of what the flesh is under law, when the man is quickened, and not the state of a Christian as such before God."

As I quoted before, In 1873 he wrote
"You know that I reject the thought ( I have done so for five and forty years) of the experience of Romans 7 being a Christian state". That would mean he had believed the same about Rom.7 since1828.

The teaching on Sealing with the Holy Ghost by early so called brethren (Darby, Kelly, Ord, Cecil, Stanley et.al) might be different from what OBs and evangelicals in general teach, but I believe it is what scripture teaches.

While I'm thankful for FWG's ministry, I think in this he was more influenced by theology rather than scripture.

Darby was in line with scripture when he wrote " I should say a quickened soul was safe, but not saved".

IMHO The lack of distinguishing between Quickening, Sealing, Deliverance, Salvation and other related terms is the cause of this confusion.

Joshua.

Susan said...

According to "F. W. Grant, His Life, Ministry and Legacy" by John Reid:(Chapter 4)
https://gospelfolio.com/product/f-w-grant-life-ministry-legacy/
"Shortly before Mr. Darby's death, in 1882, he published a pamphlet: "Life in Christ and Sealing with the Holy Spirit."
There Darby distinguished between the life received at new birth and eternal life received at some later time; the former characterizing the one in Romans 7, the latter, in Romans 8, that one in the full Christian faith with the sealing of the Spirit.
After Darby's death, F. W. Grant published his book "Life in Christ and Sealing with the Spirit".

NicW said...

The term quickening has historically meant salvation. 1 peter 3.18 is a great example of how scripture uses the term quickening as being made alive in resurrection life by the Spirit. The brethren switched the meaning as time went on. In the synopsis when Darby mentioned the romans seven struggle as not being the normal Christian state is because every Christian should pass thru it instead of
continually cycling thru struggling with his sinful nature and using the law to try and produce fruit, the law proving him sinful, giving no power and then failure. Only with Christ in his death to sin and by the Spirit do we have power to hold the old man for dead by faith. That's the normal Christian life Darby was getting at in the synopsis or why would've so many people mistaken his teaching on the passage?

clumsy ox said...

The last couple weeks have been a whirlwind of activity for me, so I've enjoyed watching the comment thread here, but haven't really had bandwidth to join in.

It's probably worth pointing out that Darby's view on sealing with the Holy Ghost is both simpler and more nuanced than it is generally assumed. While it's popular to say that Darby taught a "second blessing," that's a little misleading. He certainly taught that sealing with the Holy Ghost was a distinct event from new birth, but as far as I can tell, he didn't insist they had to be separated in time.

At the same time, he condemned the Irvingite view that the Holy Spirit had been poured out a second time (see Notes and Jottings, pp 28 - 29). This is pretty close to Watchman Nee's view in The Normal Christian Life. In Darby's view, sealing wasn't the Holy Spirit poured out again, but an operation of the Spirit of God, already here with us as a result of Christ's exaltation at the Father's right hand.

Unfortunately, Darby's teaching on Romans 7 is not very well laid out. I'm pretty sure he's correct, but he doesn't communicate it very well, and so it takes a whole lot of reading through some pretty dense material to piece it together. His material on Romans 7 is much easier to understand in a practical sense than a doctrinal sense.

It goes something like this: the believer (and I know at least R. A. H. would object to my terminology) who is not certain of his acceptance with God is uncertain because he hasn't yet given up on himself. He might see that his sins have been borne by Christ, but he doesn't [yet] see that he is in Christ as far as his acceptance with God. He is still trying to improve himself in order to make himself acceptable with God.

This is essentially the doctrine of Romans 7:5–6. We were once "in the flesh" and subject to passions and lusts. But now we're "in the Spirit" and free in Christ. (It's important to understand that Romans 7:7ff is really an expansion of Romans 7:5–6. Those two verses give us the summary, then we get a more detailed view.)

But when we recognize that being "in Christ" means having no righteousness of our own (Philippians 3:9), then we're free to give up on ourselves. Then we find ourselves certain of our acceptance before God, because we realize that we receive it just as freely as we do forgiveness of sins.

So from a practical sense, it's pretty clear. In a doctrinal sense, it gets a little murkier.

First, Darby insists that "the Christian state" is in Romans 8, after Romans 7. In other words, that transition from Romans 7:5 to Romans 7:6. So he sees the experience in Romans 7:7ff as the experience of a man who has been born again, has new life in Christ, but isn't yet trusting in Christ completely. In other words, he's justified, regenerated, forgiven, but still falls short of freedom and liberty in Christ.

Second, Darby sees the transition from Romans 7:5 to Romans 7:6 as being the sealing with the Holy Ghost. He certainly doesn't teach the Holy Spirit is given at this point, but he sees this transition as a work of the Holy Spirit in us.

Where Darby is weakest, is in his insisting that Romans 7 to Romans 8 is a one-time transition. Doctrinally, that works quite well. But even Romans 8 warns that it's possible to fall back into sin (Romans 8:11–13). So while I understand his insistence that Romans 7 is a transitory, temporary experience; I recognize the problems with his focus on that. His excellent paper "Deliverance from the Law of Sin" addresses this issue, but I wish he addressed it many more times. It's a weakness not in his understanding, but in his communication of it.

I've gone on far too long, I'll stop now.