Sunday, September 3, 2023

Seeing

I've taken some flak in Bible readings for this, but I think it's worth making a small point that could be helpful. We'll start in Exodus 14:27–31, and observe – as we have several times already – that Israel was saved when they saw the Egyptians dead on the shore. This passage gives us a clear idea what salvation is: it's not merely escaping slavery in Egypt, it's not even escaping the judgment on Egypt, it's seeing the enemy defeated and lifeless on the shore.

So there is a subjective sense to salvation: it's not just that the Egyptian army was dead and lifeless on the shore, it's that Israel saw them there. The Egyptians lying dead on the shore is a fact: it's objectively true. But salvation isn't only objective truth, it's also subjective acceptance of that truth.

And we all know this on some level: the Gospel is laid out in 1 Corinthians 15:1–8, four propositions about the Lord Jesus: His death, His burial, His resurrection, His appearing to witnesses. That's the Gospel. But it doesn't do me any good unless I believe it (note 1 Corinthians 15:1–2 opens with this claim). We could point to numerous other verses: John 3:16, Romans 4:5, Ephesians 2:8–9. These all tell us that we come into the good of the Gospel by believing God.

I would argue that all spiritual progress, from justification by faith alone in Christ alone to the highest spiritual height, is a result of accepting what God has said. God says that Christ has died for my sins, but I only really come into the good of that when I accept that it's true.

Romans 6:1–14 is a good example of this. There's a real problem (Romans 6:1–2), there is a solution resting on God's declaration (Romans 6:3–7), and we come into the good of it as we accept (count on) it being true (Romans 6:11) and then there are practical exhortations flowing from that (Romans 6:12–14).

And I recognize I'm repeating myself here, but it's worth repeating: we can't skip those steps. I've read a whole lot of commentary on Romans 6. I've listened to a whole lot of sermons on Romans 6. But so much of it turns into drivel, and it's because most of it tries to skip to a favorite verse. It doesn't work that way! We can't skip the explanation of God's view of things in vv. 3–7 and try to get to the "reckoning" part in v. 11. We can't skip straight to the "practical" part in vv. 12ff. No, we need to work through it. We need to hear God's view of things, really immerse ourselves in it, and then align our mindset with that (which is all "reckoning" is) before we can live it out.

Now, we can point out that really, we have died with Christ whether we reckon it to be true or not. That's really the teaching of vv. 3–7.  But someone who feels trapped in sin is looking for something more: skipping from vv. 3–7 to vv. 12ff isn't going to help that person. That person needs v. 11.

And here's where I've gotten into trouble in Bible readings: it's not enough to go from "this is what God sees" to "this is how you should live" without the pause of "reckoning." Not only in Romans 6, but in every single passage. We need that pause of "reckoning" in Colossians 3:1–5, in Philippians 3:9–11, in Ephesians 4:1ff. We need it in all those passages. Because "here's what God sees" doesn't help us in practical terms until we see it too.

That's the lesson from Exodus 14:27–31,  a big part of salvation is seeing what God sees. It takes a change of mind, an accepting that what God says is true, even if we think we know better. We need to "see" the truth that's presented to us before it does us any good.

And so when we come to Philippians 3:9ff, we see being "in Christ" as an aspirational thing ("that I may be found in Him"). It's not that I'm not a man in Christ, but it's that we don't get the practical good of that unless our thinking is aligned with God's. No, I cannot make myself a man in Christ. Yes, God sees me as a man in Christ regardless. But if I want to come into the practical benefits of being a man in Christ, I have to be aligned with what God sees. And in Philippians 3:9ff, being a man in Christ means having no righteousness of my own. Until I accept that I have no righteousness of my own, I may be a man in Christ as far as God is concerned, but I'm struggling against it.

So sometimes I speak about our position in Christ in aspirational terms. That's not because I don't believe it's true, but because I'm trying to emphasize that we won't get the good of it until we come to believe, accept, and "see" that what God says is true. It's when I stop struggling against it that I come into the good of it. 




36 comments:

Susan said...

so good, Mark
Yes, there is a cause for the pause.

"It is the character of the Word of God to leave something to be the reward for diligence."

HandWrittenWord said...

Yes, excellent Mark.

It is our spirit that is born again. We are transformed by the renewing of our minds
(see Romans 12:1-2). The Words of the Bible are spirit and life (see John 6:63).
They communicate with our spirit. Our minds are renewed (a process) by reading
or hearing the Word and BELIEVING it. Spirit to spirit.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,
but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know
the things that are freely give to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which
man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth,
comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are spiritually
discerned.
(1 Corinthians 2:12-14)

Spirit to spirit. The Word BELIEVED...

Susan said...

“Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!” (2 Corinthians 9:15).

Anonymous said...

We have been too much satisfied with clear expositions of truth and have contented ourselves that we had the truth, because we understood the exposition of it, instead of seeing that we require a divine state to enable us to apprehend the truth-the "best robe" is given to enjoy the "great supper"; this is most important as showing how necessary the subjective is for the apprehension of the objective. Generally the former has been put after the latter; but if we study the ways of God we shall find that He prepares us for the truth by giving us a state which can appreciate the truth, before He enunciates the truth to us, a eu lo dosd Stady viraid adds spy to s We have thought everything of getting a clear idea of truth, whereas getting a state that can appreciate the truth is the great grace of God.
Jbs vol 8 p284

Anonymous said...

The character of our life is that of constant dependence on divine power. If we are " troubled on every side " without being distressed, it must be because the power of God is working. If "perplexed" without being in despair, it is because the power of God is there. But then I must hold myself entirely as a dead man as regards nature, and in the possession of a new life in Christ. "Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body," 2 Cor. 4: 10. With Paul the flesh was not allowed to interrupt the power of this divine life, so that it flowed on in an unhindered way.

Jnd vol 21 p260

Robert said...

There were two sides to the Red Sea. Redemption by blood: redemption by power.

In Egypt, there was slavery under Pharoah and the impending wrath of God. The answer was redemption by blood. All that was required of Israel was obedience to God's word. They did not need to see anything in that sense. God said, 'When I see the blood'. It was not man's appreciation or understanding of the blood that brought salvation, it was all about what God saw. In NT terms this corresponds to Roman ch 1- 5:11. Paul's concluding statement about justification is in v. 9 'much more then being now justified by His blood we shall be saved from wrath through Him'.

The 'much more' takes to the other side of the Red Sea and introduces the present life of Christ. This covers from Romans Ch 5:12 to Ch 8:39. And this section is all about what we see. Exodus 14: 30 records that Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the seashore. The concluding verse says, ' And Israel saw the great work which the Lord did upon the Egyptians; and the people feared the Lord and believed the Lord, and His servant Moses'

That is surely what knowing and reckoning invoves today? It is only when Israel saw that the song of the Lord could be sung in Exodus 15.

We have the same truths brought out in Ephesians 1 and Colossians 1. In Ephesians it is the purpose of God which is worked out according to the good pleasure of His will. Our place in that purpose is through His blood. The prayer that begins in v.19 does not ask that we understand the blood - that is for God to see. The prayer asks that we get to the other side of the Red Sea push through the wilderness and then enter Canaan.

The prayer in Colossians 1 is about what we need to see. The much-disputed revision of v. 14 that omits the blood is correct because the context is redemption by power. 'Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son'. And in chapter 3 we need to see Christ sitting on the right hand of God. Seeing Christ seated tells me of my acceptance - He is accepted and I am accepted in Him. Seeing Christ at the right hand of God tells me of my nearness. He is nearer to God than anyone, therefore His nearness is my nearness.

Susan said...

Praise God who opens our mind to understand the Scriptures and opens the eyes of our heart that we may "see"!

Anonymous said...

"THE Holy Spirit of God is as necessary to our Divine life as the air of this world is necessary to our animal life; and is as distinct from, and as much without us, as the air of this world is distinct from the creatures that live in it. And yet our own good spirit is the very Spirit of God moving and stirring in us, and yet not God, but the Spirit of God breathed into a creaturely form; and this good Spirit, Divine in its origin, and Divine in its nature, is that alone in us that can reach God, unite with Him, be moved and blessed by Him.

"You ask how you may know in how far you are led by the Spirit of God. As every man knows of himself when he is hun- gry or pleased, so too with regard to the Spirit of God, for the Spirit of God is more distinguishable from all other spirits and tempers than any of your natural affections are from one another.

LET us believe that the Spirit beareth witness with our spirit I and gives us the assurance of His own presence. To the soul who yields itself in childlike trust and obedience, the con- sciousness will not be withheld, that we are indeed led by Him, and transformed from glory to glory as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Andrew Murray God's Best Secrets Sept 5

Joshua said...

Very helpful Mark and Robert.

Robert is there a site where we can read or hear your ministry?

Anonymous said...

Do you want to know a secret? Mark is Robert.

Rodger said...

Ahahahaha! This is the greatest
moment of this blog.

clumsy ox said...

I think you're right.

Anonymous said...

Boo I see you

Robert said...

‘Being of one accord, of one mind’. Phil 2:2

Susan said...

"if possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men'. Romans 12:18....

OK, OK....I'll try very hard to like Anonymous

Robert said...

The prayer asks that we get to the other side of the Red Sea push through the wilderness and then enter Canaan.

Sorry - this is unclear. I would rewrite: the prayer asks that we see that God has taken us into Canaan

Anonymous said...

Flesh will always be flesh it does not matter how you may try to improve it or curtail it it never changes. You only end up deceiving yourself because you thought it was tamed in one way or another but there's always more and it never ends. Anyone can play the church mouse look at the Catholics all you need is a hallowed demeanor and reverent talk and you're sanctified and separated from the world. Only our death with Christ separates us from either. And that takes time and experience. So called suppressing nature only leads to surpess spiritual exercise leading you to that crucified nature.

Anonymous said...

God will not have us play little gods thinking our way best every religion under the sun is based on man reaching divinity by bypassing the cross of Christ. There are deliverance classes and books with no mention of our fallen corrupt nature only a solution to fix up man as he is. Our crucifixion with Christ is the only answer for mans fallen condition and the only way to share in all Christ has without becoming divine.

Anonymous said...

Whatever's not of faith is sin. We were born with sin it's not that God has chosen us to eternal damnation and some for salvation but that we as a whole are a damned fallen race. The Spirit is the one convicting the elect to accept grace. It's in our walk that we come to find out that it's also only of the Spirit or it's ends up being the law. Anything outside of grace and faith is the law of sin and death. And it is only as by the Spirit of the Lord that we are led outside the law as crucified and risen with Christ in the new race.

Anonymous said...

If the water from a reservoir is to flow into a house all day, one thing is necessary, the connection must be perfect, then the water passes through the pipe of its own accord. So the union between you and Christ must be uninterrupted; your faith must accept Christ and depend on Him to sustain the new life.
AM

Anonymous said...

You know what Christ looks like because of our example in the Word but theres a marked difference in trying to produce that life and the Spirit doing it progressively over the years. Your understanding is apply the law principle God's understanding is apply the cross so that the life of the Lord Jesus will be manifested in our mortal flesh. It has to be natural and not forced. All the rules and unspoken ordinances in the world wont produce Christ's life in you it has to be done supernaturally.

Anonymous said...

9-8 Sans Effort


"There is no work involved in our receiving the Lord Jesus for life, and there should certainly be no self-effort involved in the manifestation of His life in and through us. The principle is the same, from re-birth to maturity."


“‘Thanks be to God, who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ’ (1 Cor. 15:57). That is grace. That is the test of the real or the counterfeit. Just remember this: any victory over the power of any sin whatsoever that you have to get by working for it is counterfeit. Any victory that you have to get by trying for it is false. If you have to work for your freedom, it is not the real thing, it is not that which the Father offers you in His Son.” 


“The effortless life is not the will-less life. We use our will to believe, or receive, but not to exert effort in trying to accomplish what only the Father has done. Our hope for freedom from the power of sin is not ‘Christ plus my efforts,’ but ‘Christ plus my receiving.’ To receive victory from Him is to believe His Word that solely by grace He is, this moment, freeing us from the dominion of sin. And to believe on Him in this way is to recognize that He is doing for us what we can never do for ourselves.” -C.G.T.


“The Father has left us as much dependent on the Lord Jesus’ work for our deliverance as for our forgiveness. It is wholly because we died with Him on the Cross, but unto sin and unto the whole legal principle, that sin’s power for those in Him is broken.” 


None but the hungry heart

Anonymous said...

The kingdom teachings of the Scrip-tures do not emphasize the work of the Spirit. Any divine provision for personal enablement in daily life, it would seem from a careful examina-tion of the Scriptures, is foreign to every aspect of law-rule, whether it be that of Moses, or that of the kingdom.

Thus the new enabling power of the Spirit characterizes this age, as the "old-ness of the letter" characterized the age that is past. Likewise circum-cision is now "of the heart," in the Spirit, and not in the "letter" (Rom. 2:29), or as it was in the flesh under the law. Again, "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit [Spirit]: for the letter killeth, but the spirit [Spirit] giveth life" (2 Cor. 3:6). Reference in this passage is not made to different methods of interpreting Scripture-a spiritualizing, or a literal method; but to two dispensations with their different methods of divine rule. "The letter killeth"-such is the inevitable ministry of the law. "But the spirit giveth life"-divine life, spiritual vitality, energy, and power are provided for the believer under grace, and for every believer alike. Thus it is revealed that the blessing of the indwelling Spirit is an essential characteristic of this age. He

If the manner of life under grace is superhuman, so, also, the provided enablement is supernatural, and is as limitless as the infinite power of God. 


Lsc IV, 190

Anonymous said...

When the conscience becomes awakened, and there are thoughts of responsibility, without the apprehension of grace, the first thing it seeks to do is to put itself under the law; it cannot do otherwise. And the natural man even often does this; he knows of no other way of pleasing God than obedience to the law; and this, being ignorant both of God and himself, he thinks he can render.
But the having very simple thoughts of grace is the true source of our strength as Christians; and the abiding in the sense of grace in the presence of God is all the secret of holiness, peace, and quietness of spirit. There
Jnd vol 12 p187

Anonymous said...

I trust I have given you some idea of the first work of the Spirit. I merely add that if you do not know this work you will not advance to any other. The Corinthians and the Galatians failed here; they were not dead to sin; though they had the Spirit, they did not know His first work, as detailed in Romans 5 and 8. It is most blessed that the Spirit of God first settles questions about yourself, for you have not rest of heart until they are settled; hence many are looking for holiness by faith, or perfectionism, simply because they are not in the power of the Spirit. When you walk in the Spirit you are superior to the flesh.

Jbs Vol 5 p209

Anonymous said...

There is usually only occupation with the Lord Jesus for the relief of the conscience, and if so, where does it stop? It stops when the relief is gained. But if He is the object of the heart, you will never be satisfied but in fellowship with Him where He is.” 

“I know of no arguments, and I am acquainted with no power, that will move the heart to devotedness except the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Himself and His love. It is possible to read books by the score, and to listen to the most faithful and blessed ministry for years on end, and yet never know the Lord Jesus as a present loving Object in heavenly glory. It is nigh impossible to see and know Him there by faith without a resulting intense desire to be wholly devoted to Him here.” -C.A.C.

Anonymous said...

Theres day by day a greater understanding of our position in Christ but it has to be a particapation in the Spirits work instead of a self deceiving cloistered life. The will will always seek to preserve itself and hates the Spirits workings in our life because it hates Christ and desires the opposite of his image in us being formed from glory to glory as we behold as by the Spirit of the Lord His glory.

Anonymous said...

Everyones concerned about quitting a specific sin like smoking or drinking but are uninformed as how to do it. If you can curb any of these things your generally feel pretty proud of yourself like a good christian. The problem is it keeps coming back and and stronger and harder the next time until you given up because you dont have the strength or consistency. And this is the wrong direction for the christian to focus on. Our point of attack is by way of following the Spirit into his leadings and understandings. Only God created us to do what he has planned for us we have no clue. When our perpective becomes following God pull on our hearts instead of tryng to focus on one sin at a time the Holy Spirit works out our crucifixion and resurrection with Christ to that sin nature for us. And it becomes the good fight of faith acting on what God puts in our hearts and we walk day to day in His direction.

Anonymous said...

We have no energy in ourselves to control our fallen selves or trust ourselves when we go thru the spiritual crucifixtion God gives us grace by placing our eyes on him in glory so that even though we feel the pain we are solaced by his company and everything else fades away but it's only at special times when this can be worked in and so becomes the most cherished in our walk is to abide above in Him spiritually only the Spirit can take us to him in Glory but only really in extreme pain and duress in crucifixion and ascension in Him.

Anonymous said...

It is the character of Christ's love, that all which He takes from the Father in glory and blessing, as man, He gives to us. If I talk of Him even as on the throne, He cannot do without me, He makes me a king too. A man of the world can be generous, but he does not bring another person into his own condition. This is what Christ does. 64 My peace," He says, "I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you." I will give you the very same peace that I have Myself. So, too, "The glory which thou gavest me I have given them."

Jnd vol 16 p392

Anonymous said...

Stephen's testimony only drew out the murderous opposition of the world. It had been guilty of rejecting Christ down here. It equally rejected Him. now that He is proclaimed as the exalted One in heaven. But Stephen only thus saw and testified, when "full of the Holy Ghost." To have the Holy Ghost is one thing; to be filled with the Holy Ghost is another. When He is the one source of my thought, I am filled with Him. When He has possession of my heart, there is power to silence what is not of God, to keep my soul from evil, and to guide in every act of my life and walk; so that in both I am kept apart from the world. Compare Ephesians 5: 18: "Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit." Are we then

Jnd vol 16 p284

Susan said...

how to be perfect? What in the world????
I don't believe JND, JBS,WK, and CAC said that!!
Link please........ Vol 36 page 36 from what source?????

HandWrittenWord said...

Susan -
You understand certain matters (such as Scripture),
on an uncommon level. No need for endless words...

Robert said...

Anonymous -there is no one who reads this blog or contributes to it that recognises your description of a person trying to be perfect. Perhaps you meant it as a joke. Humour doesn’t travel well! If you are serious then you need to modify your language. You have responded to this post with numerous quotations from JND, CAC JBS that have been very helpful but you have undone any good by this last rant. We have shown great patience in listening to what you have to say but enough is enough. If I could I would block you from posting anymore.

Susan said...

NicW - you have a problem!!! I knew it all along but was willing to get you the benefit of the doubt.

I agree with Robert - If I could I would block you from posting anymore.

Susan said...

thank you, Mark!!!!!!!